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Thursday, May 06, 2010

Howard Family Descrepancies

Relying on family memory sometimes can be a detriment. Thomas Howard and Mary Waters were indeed married, were indeed both from Ireland, and did live, raise a family, work, and die in San Francisco. According to family record, typed out in 1952, they are supposed to be buried in the plot of Thomas' former employer, the Cooper's, at Cypress Lawn. The cemetery has no record of them, with Coopers or otherwise. None of their information matches perfectly into any vital record index, and even the census information seems dodgey. With a list of important criteria and all the little errors, hopefully today I can at last resolve some of this.

First, what we think we know.
Mary Howard (Maiden name Mary Ellen Waters) born in Sligo, Ireland. Died at age 80. had broken her hip, pneumonia resulted. Buried in Cooper plot at Cypress Lawn in spring of 1924 about April.
This would make her born in 1844.
Thomas Howard died at 60 years. Native of Limerick, Ireland. Burried Jan. 25th 1918 Grave belonging to Cooper family, both buried in same plot.
This would make him born in 1858, and about 14 years younger than his wife.

1880 census has Thomas, age 28, born 1852, Mary, age 37, born 1843.

1900 census has Thomas, age 49, born 1854, Mary, age 53, born 1846. (January and October)

1910 census has Thomas, age 55, born 1855, Mary, age 65, born 1845.

Also in 1900 it says they were married 33 years (m. 1867, oldest living child born about 1874). In 1910, it says married 31 years! Married in 1879, after several children were born? Not in THAT Catholic family! It's all whacked. I'm sure the death certificates, assuming I can find them, will have some perpetuated whackadoo information, but at least there will be ONE thing settled, when they did, in fact, die, and where their remains were released. That's two things.

So... off I go... wish me luck!

(HERE'S PART TWO!)

Monday, January 15, 2007

Ron's Notes

This is just a bit of Ron Winkler's memories. I left spelling and grammar intact, it's part of his voice. This stream-of-consiousness style is a great way to let those remembrances just come out. No need to create your own obstacles of writing style or spelling. Good job, Dad... Here he is:

Life started in 1938 in Corte Madera, California. I don't remember too many things about our house except the key hanging on the wall of the garage above the garbage can. Apparently I was into garbage at an early age. Will and Mora lived next to us. Will went into the Army during the second war and Mora moved to an Apartment in San Francisco. My mother and I went there to visit. Years later, Will and Mora moved to Martinez. They had a daughter by the name of Ann. We went from Kentfield to Martinez every couple of months for a Bar-b-que. Ann and I went up to the train trestle to watch the train come by.

I was thinking back about visits with my grand parents. Catherine and Frank Ambrose lived in Petaluma, California. They had a farmhouse and a garage in the back, an enclosed back porch and a big kitchen. I remember Frank sitting in his rocking chair - I was sitting on his lap. He was also cooking mushrooms so maybe the event was Thanksgiving dinner. His wife, Catherine, also called Caty was there but I don't remember anything about her. Some years later, Caty came to our (my folks ) house in Kentfield to stay, It was the same year that Franklin Roosevelt died - maybe 1945. I would have been 7 years old then. Caty later developed some difficulty in talking and later, she became hard to handle and my mom ( daughter Rowena ) had to put her in a rest home in Lucas Valley where she later died.

Caty's other daughter, Alice, (Rowena's sister) also lived in Kentfield. She had two daughters - Alice and Shirley. In 1945, they were staying in an orphanage in San Anselmo. But, somehow, they didn't get an invite to our house in Kentfield and that blame rested with my father. I don't know what his objection would have been. Alice and Shirley never forgot that. Alice married later and lives with her husband (Dan ) in Marin County. No children. Shirley also married but her husband died and she never remarried. They had one son, Nickelous.

Alice Krogman was a neat person. I used to see her all the time. She worked at the Roger Kent estate in Kentfield. Roger was a congressman ( I thought ) in Sacramento but Shirley seems to remember as just an attorney. His two daughters ( Alice and Molly ) went to the same grammar school as I did - called the Adeline E. Kent school. Adeline was Roger's sister. Yes, everyone was related.

In case it seems confusing, there was Alice Krogman, her daughter named Alice and Alice Kent. Roger Kent's place was the largest in Kent Woodlands. He had a big Olympic sized swimming pool with six lanes. Also a tennis court. There were many local events held there. Roger had many special guests there also, big names in the Democratic party. Alice Krogman was the chief cook for those events. The table was long - maybe sat 20 people. Also, before my time, Alice was bought along to Hawaii to take care of the Kids. She stayed there for some time.

At Alice Krogman's place, she had other relatives visit there. There was Nita, Colleen, Lynn, and Rowena. Nita and Don lived in San Rafael, Lynn and Bill Bergeron lived in Fairfield (Bill was in the Air Force) Bill was the co-pilot of the B-17 crew called "the candy bomber" that flew the airlift into Germany. And of course Bud and Rowena lived in Kentfield. Bud worked at the shipyards in Sausalito during World War Two.

There was also Kathleen and Sam Guerin who lived in San Francisco then later, Sparks, Nevada where they had a health food store. Kathleen's daughter was Lynn (Bergeron)

Two other people were always in my life during those years. That was Fagan and Bill. They lived on 208 Monte Vista Avenue in Larkspur, California. They were always "were", like grand parents. I think friends of my father's mother when she lived in Corte Madera. Fagan was a switchboard operator for the town of Larkspur and Uncle Bill was the treasurer for the city of Larkspur. But his expertise was a calligrapher for the city documents. He used pen and ink - not ball point pens. He had a very special writing style from the 1880's era. We went to their house for dinner once week then the next week they would come to our house. That was before television. When at their house, I would go into the family room after dinner and listen to the radio programs: Amos and Andy, The Bob Hope show, Fiber Magee and Molly, the Lone Ranger, the Shadow and others. The grown-ups would play cards until midnight.

Last but not least were my dad's mother and her husband - Alice and Roy. They lived in a small house in Richmond, California. There was no bridge so we took the ferry boat to get there. My dad had a 1932 Pontiac. We went there for all day events. Usually Aunt Emmy and Uncle Al and their son Bobbie would come over from San Francisco. Emmy was my dad's sister or Alice's daughter. They would play cards until the late hours. During the summer, I was invited to stay there for one or two weeks. I pal'd around with the boy across the street - his name was Jack. His dad looked and sounded like Anthony Quinn. I liked Alice. I could talk with her about anything. I liked the type of answers she gave me. She was always happy to see me. And she was a great cook too.

We also went to Emmy and Al's place on Park Street in San Francisco. They had a row house, a two-story with a full basement. We always went there for Christmas day. My cousin Bob was 2 years older than I was and very wise in city ways. By comparison, we lived in the country with open lots and fruit trees to be picked. But things did not go well there. Emmy and Al eventually got divorced and after 1956, Bobbie committed suicide. Emmy remarried to Angelo Gatorna and I went there to visit ( when I was working at Bechtel ) up to 1962.

Renee and Trav lived in North Hollywood. On special occasion, they came to Richmond or we went down there, like in 1952 - in my dad's new black '51 Mercury car. Renee was Alice's other daughter or my dad's sister. ( There was Buddie, Emmy and Renee ) Renee had a daughter (adopted) called Jackie - she is 8 years younger than me. We have always kept in contact with each other. When I was at Edwards Air Force base (1956), I went to Renee and Trav's for Thanksgiving dinner.

Walter Joos was a retired Air Force major ( I think a cousin of my father) Since we each had an Air Force background, we spent some times together. He was called Uncle Walt. Renee was a close relative and they wrote to each other during WW2. Walt was a navigator on B-17s over Germany. Walt and I went to Renee's for a New Year's day Rose Bowl football game. We had a great time.

Another favorite was Eleanor and Earl - they lived in Hammond. Louisanna. And they had a daughter by the name of Sheilah. I always liked Eleanore (my mother's sister ) Earl was a highway contractor - he wore a hearing aide and he was hard to know.. He didn't like any of Eleanor's family line. I found out later that he was not friendly to his wife or his daughter. This came out after he died. Eleanore and Sheilah kept the house on North Pine street. But in 2004, Eleanore went into the hospital then died in July 2006. Sheilah has not spoken to me for many years. I don't know why. She has spoken to Karen and Marc.

Alice is another cousin who will not speak to me - since my mother died. Shirley (sister of Alice) is a good person - we were always close over the years. Shirley is about 10 years older than me.

In closing this time period, I should mention a few things about living at home. It seemed peacefull early on. Dad belonged to the Corte Madera fire department as a fire fighter. I have a picture with me sitting on an early vintage fire truck. Dad worked at the Marinship ship yards then, later, for Litchfield Constrution Company in San Rafael. Dad helped build the new addition to the Adeline Kent grammer school. That was the time that the movie "Blood Alley" with Lauren Bacall and John Wayne, was made at China Camp. Dad worked on that - I was in the 8th grade. We had an Austrialn Shepard dog who was jealous of me and growled whenever I was near her. The next dog was a Doberman Pincher. Cute as a puppy but became angry when my dad got near my mom. They ended up giving the dog away to a trainer.

Grammer school had its ups and downs. I can still name a few people from those 8 years. Some have died already. Jim Schultz and Margaret Brooks I still keep in contact with. As I approached the 8th grade, I realized some difficulty with Math. I was just a "C" student( If I was luckey) Margaret and her pals always got "A's". Our 7th grade teacher was Ray Monson, He later became the grammar school principal in Novato (Pleasant Valley School ) where our kids went to school.

My mother used some extreme measures to control me. Drop the pants and beat me across the butt. Later came the razor strap - 4" wide 1/4" thick and 3 feet long. She saw I was resisting that so she complained to my dad and he cut the bottom 12 inches into thin strips. That DID hurt ! My dad wanted me home by 6pm. I would wait across the street (by then 6pm) waiting for the cars to pass so I could cross to our driveway. My dad stood in the driveway taking his belt loose - getting ready to deal out his punishment.
So I made it thru all that business then went thru 4 years of high school. I played basket ball, had a Saturday gardening job, got a car which was a '48 Plymouth. Girl friends were Cathy Silcox and Gloria Ongaro. The summer of 1956, my graduation year, I worked at a summer camp for boys, met Laverne Hardy ( a separate story) then went on active duty with the Air Force doing helicopter Maintenance and search and rescue. (which is also another story).

Someplace, I should add an interesting observation. During grammer school and high school, all my relatives were older to the point, alot of them died. My dad, Uncle Walt, his brother (Bud Joos) and I were frequently Pall Bearers at funerals. I never thought much of the occassion other than another event to meet living family members. However, as time went along, I met other people my age who had never been to a funeral, much less a pall bearer. Part of life's many lessons.

Saturday, November 25, 2006

Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery

The main entrance of Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery in Colma, California is 1500 Mission Road. You can also get there from Hillside Blvd, BART South San Francisco is just a block away.

The only family we knew until recently were from the Howard family, children born in San Francisco to Thomas and Mary who came from Ireland. Now we know that some of the Brown/ Krauser/ Hennessy clan are here too! The list keeps growing.

WILLIAM HOWARD was born in 1877 on the 13th of October. He died November 1937 in San Francisco, buried in Section R1, row 10, grave 62 at Holy Cross.

THOMAS F. HOWARD who was born on July 3, 1874 died on Christmas Eve 1943. He was buried at Holy Cross, sharing a grave with his brother.

(Nov. 24, 2006) This grave is difficult to find. Either the marker has sank into the ground or there wasn't one to begin with. This section is on a rolling hill with flat markers all around. The person in the office graciously gave me a list of surrounding graves so I could tell where it was supposed to be, but this was after I had already done a lot of searching and it was getting dark. The people from grave 56 to 64 are as follows: Ayala, McGinnis, Witacki, Cardinal, Mason, Donnelly, (Howard), True, Bancroft. As I understood the map, if you stand on Avenue E, facing the hills behind the cemetery with the large mausoleum to your left and a little behind you, you are looking at the rows of R1 before you. There are some "mini-graves" at the right, but once you get to the standard size graves, begin counting the rows to 10. Still on Avenue E, right? Now, from row 10 begin walking toward the little tree line dividing the two R sections. You may have to scuff the markers a bit because of lawn clippings and soil runoff. Count as you go and look for the names above.


(AUGUST 26, 2007) There is now a concrete marker on their grave.


ALICE HOWARD died August 24, 1874 at the age of three. She was originally buried at Mount Calvary Cemetery in San Francisco, with a new marker made in December of 1903.

MAURICE HOWARD born June 27, 1879, died at grammar school age when he was kicked by a race horse at the Cooper Stables, where his father worked. He is supposed to be buried near his sister Alice.

The burial information for Alice and Maurice in family records (Dormetory 3, Station 71, Area 27, Grave 78) is most likely irrelevant now because in the early 1940's the 38,000 people who were buried at Calvary were dug up and moved to a special section of Holy Cross, which did not exist at all until 1887. What you are looking at is... a mass grave... this patch of lawn is where they all are.



ALSO in section R1 just a few more rows away from the Howards:

BROWN, Gertrude V. born November 2, 1895, died August 15, 1935 (Row 17, Grave 25)
BROWN, Josephine R. born February 26, 1872, died December 15, 1940 (same grave)

Over in section 5, way over by the northern tree line, is

HENNESSY, Alfred J. born June 4, 1872 and died May 31, 1961. It was intended to be shared with his wife Anna Cecelia Brown, however her sister, Juanita, predeceased her and she evidently gave permission for her sister to be buried there. Anna is buried by herself near their 'country home' in the Manton Cemetery in Tehama County, California.
BROWN, Juanita M born March 4, 1900 and died March 26, 1979. Daughter of George Brown and Josephine Krauser.

Shown at right is the visual line up to find their grave. This one is easy.

Friday, November 24, 2006

Golden Gate National Cemetery

If you've ever driven along Highway 280 near the San Francisco International Airport, you've undoubtedly noticed the Golden Gate National Cemetery. It's size and immaculate rows upon rows of white headstones make it somewhat intimidating and a sober reminder of all the servicemen who don't make it home... and those who do...
The address is 1300 Sneath Lane, San Bruno, CA 94066

The San Bruno BART is reasonably close by.


Previously, the only part of our clan we knew resting there was :


GEORGE WINKLER (son of Henry and Caroline, brother of Phillip, etc.)
Born January 28, 1892, died May 3, 1953
Was a wagoner in the Wagon Supply Company during World War I.
63rd Infantry 11th Division (24109 is another associated number)


I found him some time ago through http://www.interment.net/
Many beautiful photos of this cemetery are available at Indospectrum.com

We have since found out (in 2007) that we have more "family" here. Family relationships are yet to come.

Howard, Robert James, (son of Thomas Howard and Mary Ellen Waters) b. 09/17/1882, d. 11/08/1951, CHAUFFEUR 1ST CL SQ C AIR SVC FLYING SCH ROCKWELL FLD CALIF, Plot: R 3345, bur. 11/15/1951, *


Heglin, Philip B, b. 12/28/1901, d. 03/13/1993, S 2 USN, Plot: CA 976, bur. 03/18/1993, and

Heglin, Florence L, b. 12/17/1903, d. 05/30/1984, Plot: CA 976, bur. 06/01/1984,


Heglin, Harry Monroe, b. 01/04/1896, d. 03/20/1958, PFC USMC, Plot: T 4797, bur. 03/24/1958,


Heglin, Ray , b. 04/20/1899, d. 09/26/1977, PVT USA, Plot: T 4798, bur. 09/29/1977,

Heglin, Margaret , b. 05/11/1905, d. 08/20/1988, Plot: T 4798, bur. 08/24/1988,

Wednesday, July 19, 2006

the Howard children

I came across the following typed information by way of Cousin Shirley. It was typed, dated April 19, 1952, and signed by Kathleen Ambrose- Guerin, Daughter of Catherine A. Howard and Frank M. Ambrose, Grand-Daughter of Thomas Howard and Mary E Waters.
Note: There is no information on the children Mary bore who did not live (according to the 1900 census she had 10)
Catherine Ambrose maiden name Catherine Agnes Howard, born June 17, 1876 at San Francisco, California. Baptized at Old St. Mary’s Catholic Church.

Her mother’s name Mary Howard (Maiden name Mary Ellen Waters) born in sligo, Ireland. Died at age 80. had broken her hip, pneumonia resulted. Buried in Cooper plot at Cypress Lawn in spring of 1924 about April.

Father:
Thomas Howard died at 60 years. Native of Limerick, Ireland. Burried Jan. 25th 1918 Grave belonging to Cooper family, both buried in same plot.

Brothers:
Thomas F. Howard born 1874 July 3 died 1943 [1942 crossed out] Christmas Eve - burried Holy Cross New Section. Born in S.F. - James Reily Co. have records of correct date.
William Howard born 1877 on Oct 13 died Nov 1937 in S.F. buried at Holy Cross. Tom is buried in same grave.
Maurice Howard, born June 27, 1879 died at grammer school age. Kicked (by a race horse) at Cooper Stables. Burried at Holy Cross near sister Alice.
Robert James Emitt Howard, born 1882 Sept 17 San Francisco. Died at Vet. Hospital Oct 8 1951 Yontville. Burried at National Cemetery, San Bruno, Calif.
Sister:
Alice Howard died Aug. 24, 1874 at age of three. Buried at Mount Calvary Cemeteries (Holy Cross. Domertory 3, Station 71, Area 27, Grave 78 old section how of holy Cross. New grave marking made December 2, 1903 at offices of Holy Cross Cemetery.
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Furthermore, I faxed this information to Holy Cross to confirm and get a map of the premises. Without their $30 fee for “Genealogical Research”, they were able to locate records only for Thomas Frank Howard and William H Howard. The other records are not in a computer database.
Thomas:
Interment No. 141998 Volume VIII – D- R, S- 10, Grave 62
Date of Death 12/24/43 - age 71y 5m 15d - date of interment 12/27/43
Parish: Star of the Sea – Place of Death: 423 Clement St.
Place of BIRTH: San Francisco
Undertaker: Reilly – Physician: J. J. Kingston
Cause of Death: Coronary sclerosis – B of M No: 9586
Name of Plot Owner: Robert J Howard – Address: 800 Bush St.
Date Purchased 1/27/39 – Deed ser. No. B-33342 P.C. –
Size of plot : 3x8

William:
Interment No. 125973 – Vol. VII – D- R, S- 10, Grave 62
No date of death, no age, Date of Interment: 1/23/39
Place of death: San Francisco Hospital
No birthplace, no undertaker or physician.
Name of Plot Owner: Robert J Howard – Address: 800 Bush St.
Date Purchased 1/27/39 – Deed ser. No. B-33342 P.C. – Size of plot : 3x8


See the posting on Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery.

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